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faith & culture: thile theology Posted by Ryan Byrd 03.29.2009 8:30 pm

punch brothers

one of the values we feel most strongly about at eikon is the intersection of faith and culture. more to the point, we don’t view this intersection with an “us vs. them” mentality or as some unfortunate circumstance which we avoid, but rather, as an opportunity to engage culture in a way that sees god at work in the world. we believe that because every person is created in the image of god—the creator—then, ultimately, our creativity flows from god. that doesn’t mean that all aspects of culture—art, music, film, literature, etc—are specifically “christian”, but that, ultimately, it points back to something bigger than or something beyond us (whether it be about love or pain or a journey or whatever).

with that said, there are musicians and artists and other cultural contributors that seem to create art that is particularly descriptive of this faith/culture intersection. one of these musicians is chris thile.

in my (ryan’s) top five favorite bands of all time is nickel creek, of which chris thile is the most recognizable and arguably the driving musical force. flowing from nickel creek has been several other successful offshoots including solo albums from all three members (sara’s album drops in a couple weeks), mutual admiration society, fiction family and punch brothers. along with nickel creek and these various offshoots, both thile’s solo work and, now, work with punch brothers has been very spiritually charged.

beginning with 2004’s believer and continuing with 2006’s follow-up how to grow a woman from the ground, thile has played out his real life struggles with god and faith and life in musical public space. 2008’s punch, by his latest incarnation punch brothers, is the most lyrically focused work to date for thile in which he sheds the mystery of his feelings toward christianity. when the veil is lifted, we find that thile—in the aftermath of a painful divorce—has all but walked away from the faith of his family and youth.

speaking about his upbringing, thile says, “I grew up in a very Christian household and was not a rebellious child…The religion of my youth was fear-based, and I think a lot of religion is. It’s left me with an overall fear of death, which I kind of resent. I feel that’s no way to really live.” The unraveling of this childhood faith is captured in the sprawling 40-minute composition, the blind leaving the blind, which is the centerpiece of punch.

by the fourth and final movement, thile confronts his soured feelings toward religion, singing,

Where I was so concerned
We would be the ones who burned
The more scared the safer
The more grateful for the grapejuice
And the wafer

further, thile reveals the kind of god he has never known:

And I need to hear Him say
“You and your friends can come in
Your thoughts and that girl can come in
Your parents and brothers are here
I let them In
Who told you I wouldn’t let you all in?
You are my children.”

his lyrics clearly speak to the exclusive, single-sided legalistic faith that was offered during his childhood. thile, of course, isn’t alone. here in the very early phases of the development of eikon, i’ve had the opportunity to share the vision for the church with many people and, likewise, enter into dialogue with people about their views of god and christianity, specifically. for many people, their journey from belief as a child to eventual disbelief after negative experiences or a personal crisis, has led them to see god as some cast-aside remnant of their former self. religion, at best—for many people—is a crutch rather than a vibrant part of their life.

for many of these people, though, the conversations we’ve had have turned much like the final stanza of thile’s the blind leaving the blind. the epic track closes with,

And I sound done
And I feel done
But I’m not done
Unless you’d give up on a lost son

thile hasn’t given up if god hasn’t. it’s a chapter that isn’t closed. despite personal crisis, pain and near-complete disbelief, he’s willing to continue a dialogical journey in which god is still a possibility. it certainly may not be the god of his childhood, but it is a god he’s willing to re-engage.

i recently heard someone say that “doubt is the new faith” and certainly i think that may be true. in many ways, in fact, that may be a welcome reality that seems a bit more reflective not only of our current culture but also, in many ways, the great people of “faith” as presented in scripture. thile is a doubter, but his music speaks to a great hope and journey of discovery and possibility that we most certainly embrace at eikon.

as our faith community continues to unfold and grow, i invite you to engage in this intersection of culture and faith and life and doubt. just like thile, we’re a long way from having it figured out, but “unless [he'd] give up on a lost son,” we’re not done in that process of growing and uncovering and seeking god.

listen to the blind leaving the blind:



questions for eikon? Posted by Ryan Byrd 03.17.2009 7:28 pm

questions for eikon

slowly but surely, i’ve been able to have more and more conversations with people about what we’re doing with eikon and at the same time, more and more people have begun showing interest (some even deciding to get onboard) and asking questions. at this point, the blog posts have been fairly broad and meant to disperse general information. there hasn’t been a tremendous amount of concrete information—which has been on purpose. at these very early phases, we’re much more concerned about sharing about our values and our goals as opposed to just dull facts about meeting places and other stuff.

but, we definitely know people want to know some of that information. so, i want to encourage everybody to let us know your questions. what do you want to know?? if you have questions, you can either post a comment or you can shoot me an email: eikon [at] beingryanbyrd [dot] com.

a friend of mine sent me a list of questions that might inspire you. he lives in a very rural and conservative setting and he decided to poke a little fun at the old school church culture that you may be aware of. maybe his list of questions will prompt your question-writing. :)

1. Will you have a steeple on this church?
2. Which version of the “New Hymns of Inspiration” will you use… vol. 11 or 12?
3. Will you have a Sunday School Hour and old fashioned Singins’ the first Sunday of every quarter?
4. What about the structure of pot luck dinners? Any insights?
5. Will you allow your deacons to drink and say a restricted list of cuss-type words?
6. Will this church be officially known as the First Eikon Holiness Saints of the Order of Luke Trinitarian Community Church?
7. Remember, if you aint got two candles a cross and a very huge bible in front of your pulpit or other sacred desk type aparatus, it aint church.
8. Will you be encouraging your faithful, tithing members to go door to door, annoying the entire community?
9. Will you allow any form of cheese in this said fellowship?

so, what are you questions? post a comment or shoot me an email!



jesus vs. church Posted by Ryan Byrd 03.04.2009 7:47 am

dave gibbons’ new book, the monkey and the fish: liquid leadership for a third culture church, gives some much-needed global perspective into leadership in the church. gibbons serves as pastor of newsong church, a multi-cultural community in irvine, california and in the book, he talks about how to live out the values of jesus in an increasingly global culture.

in the book, he provides a chart that i think speaks so well to what we’re trying to do with eikon. one of our guiding theologies is that the life, values and mission of jesus dictate the shape and flow of our community. it guides us in the way we lead, interact with each other, present the message of christ and engage the larger community of little rock. there’s a way the church has done it (and that way has become the unfortunate and stereotypical standard) and then there’s a way that looks more like jesus. gibbons’ chart helps to illustrate this.

jesus vs. church